I knew little about Ray only heard a few of his talk, it meant little to me.
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The Ray Franz Saga
by snugglebunny ini'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.
many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.
she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.
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I was in Oklahoma at the time. The thinking among the elders in that area was that Ray was involved in trying to introduce new or different thoughts about the heavenly class, and was doing it by translating it into Spanish literature.
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Defend Jehovah's Witnesses.. False claim from opposers of JW's--Creative Day..
by James Mixon in"the creative day" how long was each day?
defend.
maybe this was posted before but i found this site.. search the above site.
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It was all explained in the book 'new heavens and new earth". The evening and morning were figurative in that, at the start of the day, what it was to accomplish was unclear but at the end of the day it was clear and bright as the morning sun. At the time it made sense to me. I'm not sure if they've stepped back from the idea or not I know they haven't mention for some time.
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Another JW Literature Trolly Experience
by Athanasius inthis morning i stopped at dollar general to get a cheap container for waste paper.
it was 11:30 am and there were two jw literature trolleys parked near the store and manned by three jws, on old man in a rolling chair, a 30 something man, and 30 something woman.
as i walked by them i glanced at the their literature rack and proceeded into the store.. i was in the store for 20 minutes and made my purchase.
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I have yet to see a JW Literature Trolley. Maybe one day. I did talk to a friend last week that said his cong. was using them. -
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1958 Convention Program. 8 days from 9am till 9pm. Anyone attend?
by StopTheTears inhow in the world did they justify this torture?
imagine the children forced to sit in the summer heat at yankee stadium for 12 hours a day.
for 8 days.
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We were living in northern Calif. in 1958 and went to that assemble as did every one we knew. It was and remains one of the highlights of my life as a witness. As we drove back and got closer to the east coast the roads were covered with witnesses all the parks, roadside rest areas people waving, it was like a big family reunion. We got there a few day early so we went up to see the farm. When we got back and entered New York they had people on the road to help you find your way. All my friends from the bay area was there we had a time at Time Squire in the evenings. Met a nice girl from Florida spent most of the assemble with her. The main stadium was to full so we spend most of our time at the Polo grounds. In the big blowup pictures of the assemble I can see a friend and I sitting there during the main talk.
After the assemble we took a tour of the factory. Just had a great time I was convince this was the truth and this was God's organ.
I also remember the 63 Rose Bowl I had just got out of prison (Tucson federal) a few months earlier and we were planning a big reunion(the jws I was in prison with) .Had a good time, I still thought it was God's organ. It took me along time to leave.
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Fleecing the Flock
by Coded Logic inat the last assembly i attended in 2005 the cost was $11,000 per day in yuba city (just over two hours away from our circuit).
this always seemed a bit high for a facility that was built on donated land and whose construction loan had been paid off for 20 years.. i just looked up the cost to rent the redding civic center, which is just as nice if not nicer and a whole lot closer for our circuit, and it only costs $2,500 a day plus $250 for consumables (parking included).
if it would save the brother's and sister's $8,250 a day and they could have the assembly locally why wouldn't they do it?.
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Yuba City Assemble Hall;
I believe in the beginning someone donated some land to the society. It wasn't usable for what ever reason so was sold, for the land that the hall is on now. I spend a lot of time helping with that hall. Sometimes I would be the only one there doing the, type of work, I did. I would take my two little boy to help me. The hall was a bit unusual it had a sloping floor to see the stage better. Ray Franz came to give the talk at the assemble hall dedication. A very boring talk. -
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Saturday Let the Games Begin
by Poztate inthe start of a new memorial season is upon us.
saturday is the day for the start of the invites to look but not touch the bread and wine.
the "observer class" is a belief unique to jehovah's witnesses.. along with the invite to the masses a special effort is being made this year by the elders to invite all the df's, da's and faders.. along with the invite a copy of the rtj will be left with them.. naturally we will still be treated as pariah's if we do attend but it is the thought that counts.. i am of the "fader class" as i don't wish to rock the boat with my wife and extended family.
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They came by last yr. with an invitation. We were at the table eating, My wife said here come some witnesses don't answer the door. If you know me you'd know I can't do that. At the door they offered the invitation I said no because I didn't think what they were doing was right or scriptural I ask if they could show me a text where anyone was ever invited to go as an observer, there was no observers invited to the last supper and Paul never said to do that. Those invited where to partake. They said they had to go. I said if they do, don't come back. At the sidewalk they stopped to write down the house number and notes I walk out to where they were and ask why they didn't follow the organ. directions not to write down things in front the house. Its rude and people don't like it. So they left. -
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Gas Pump "Witnessing"....Is this a thing?
by Bob Loblaw ini've seen this twice now within a month.
a car group hanging out at a gas station.
one of the cult members jumps outs of their car and runs up to a "worldly" gas pumper, arm stretched out, tract in hand, and here comes the juvenile at best question.
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Driving though Montana one year I saw Witnesses knocking on truck doors at a truckstop, it was about 7:oo in the morning and snowing. -
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Dances With Watchtowers - Witnessing to Native Americans
by Clam ini've had a life long fascination with native americans, starting of course as a kid who watched westerns, and then learning of about their true culture and spirituality.
i have often wondered how jws in other countries, particularly the us, would interact with the indigenous people of their country.
do any americans here have any stories about witnessing to native americans?
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I like American Indians. I've been one all of my life. If you can enlarge my picture you can see how long ago that was. When we moved to California we were introduced to the witnesses. I didn't think I was so dumb but it took me over 50yrs. to get out. I even went to prison for my beliefs.
In the 80's we (wife and I) went back to the Midwest,to try and talk to Indians we were very successful a number of large family came in Some of the men became elders. Now I would like to see if I could undo all of that it would be messy. Oh, I'am not Cherokee.
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48th ANNIVERSARY of me GOING TO PRISON
by Terry ini was twenty years old.. as a jehovah's witness, i had no career path ahead of me, no college to attend, and no prospect for my future other than.
knocking on people's doors and scanning the horizon for signs of armageddon:).
i was engaged to a 17-year-old witness girl i had met at the mineral wells assembly.. what was our future together?
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Terry I had about the same experience as you, know one cared. This organ has no love in it.
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48th ANNIVERSARY of me GOING TO PRISON
by Terry ini was twenty years old.. as a jehovah's witness, i had no career path ahead of me, no college to attend, and no prospect for my future other than.
knocking on people's doors and scanning the horizon for signs of armageddon:).
i was engaged to a 17-year-old witness girl i had met at the mineral wells assembly.. what was our future together?
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Blondie There were no anointed in the group of people I was with. Over the years I have met a lot people who said they were of that class, especial was that true in the early years when I was 1'st baptized I had no trouble believing them. In the later times I just though my hands up and though, who know. As a elder we would talk about it after the memorial did you see any one partake. I don't believe we every talk to anyone about it. At this point let me say how much I enjoy your comments .You always bring a good viewpoint to the topic. I have never heard you say what your thought are. Are they in line with the quotes you make or what? It's hard sometime time, on this website to express a view point. Some things or topic become like a feeding frizzle I almost never joined because of that.